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   shin (UK Dreamscience SCT Dealer)

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發表於 2006-2-2 08:58 PM 
大家都說ABS有作動,但是........... 怎麼確定它的作動有動作呢?
沒有人說過怎麼確定ㄝ............
麻煩先進說來聽聽討論討論吧!!
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發表於 2006-2-2 09:27 PM 
Originally posted by shin at 2006-2-2 07 PM:


ABS動作需要在一定時速以上,有的車子是50km/hr,有的是40km/hr
我不知道focus作動時是時速幾公里.....
但是,配備ABS的車子踩煞車一定要採大力點,最好採的重一點,越重越好,而且不可分段或放開
以免降到低速 ...

因為煞車踏板的回饋動作  咚咚咚的 腳震了好幾下
我跟前車不會很近 但他是一起步 馬上又緊急煞車
我們的小佛比較重 起步要多點油門才會走
所以我才會來不及


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 09:47 PM 
我日前有買修護手冊,找了一下,剛好有關ABS與TCS,EBD的作動原理
不過是2004-2005的Duratec Focus
給各位看看,裡面有談到TCS與ABS互相溝通的原理

Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)

The ABS module executes control of the anti-lock brakes and full speed traction control functions to enhance driver control of the vehicle. The ABS module manages the interactions between the anti-lock, traction control, and engine control systems to optimize the vehicle traction during deceleration and acceleration.

The ABS module continuously monitors and compares the rotational speed of each wheel. The rotational wheel speed is measured by the wheel speed sensor which electrically senses the pole pairs of the magnetic encoder ring passing the sensor head.

The ABS module is self-monitoring. When the ignition switch is turned to the RUN position, the ABS module carries out a preliminary electrical check. At approximately 20 km/h (12 mph) the pump motor is turned on for approximately 0.5 second. Any concern with the ABS causes the ABS module to shut off, the ABS warning indicator to illuminate, and the power assist braking system to function normally.

Traction Control

The traction control system helps maintain vehicle traction at the limits of tire adhesion. System effectiveness varies with vehicle speed, road conditions, and steering inputs.

The ABS module defaults to ON when the engine is started.

The traction control switch (TCS) allows the driver to control the ON/OFF operation of the traction control system by pressing the switch for a minimum of 1 second, independent of the ABS function. The ABS control system cannot be switched off by the driver. The traction control system status is indicated by a traction control system warning light. An illuminated traction control warning light in the instrument cluster indicates that the system has been switched off by the traction control switch, or a system error has been detected and the system function is disabled. A flashing warning light indicates that wheel slip has occurred. The warning light remains flashing until traction control intervention is no longer required.

The ABS module communicates with the powertrain control module (PCM) requesting assistance with traction control. At speeds under 40 km/h (25 mph) the ABS module requests the PCM to reduce engine torque, while simultaneously applying and releasing the appropriate brake to restore traction when one or both drive wheels lose traction and begin to spin. The PCM accomplishes this by minor incremental ignition timing changes and fewer fuel injector pulses until the driven wheel speed returns to normal and the traction control module ends the request. After the vehicle speed exceeds 40 km/h (25 mph), the traction control is accomplished only by the PCM controlling the torque.

During a traction control event you may experience any of the following normal behaviors:

a rumble or grinding sound much like ABS
a small deceleration of the vehicle
the traction control indicator will flash
The ABS module continually monitors all sensors and actuators used to improve the traction control of the vehicle. Some drivers may notice a slight movement of the brake pedal when the system checks itself. If the brake system has not been bled correctly, the brake pedal movement may become more significant. The ABS function continues to work as designed unless the yellow ABS warning indicator is also illuminated. The normal brake function should always occur, unless the red brake warning indicator is illuminated.

Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD)

The EBD controls rear brake pressure and acts as an electronic proportioning valve. It is controlled by the ABS module. When EBD is disabled, the amber ABS warning indicator and the red brake warning indicator will illuminate.


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 09:52 PM 
Originally posted by hiei at 2006-2-2 09:27 PM:



因為煞車踏板的回饋動作  咚咚咚的 腳震了好幾下
我跟前車不會很近 但他是一起步 馬上又緊急煞車
我們的小佛比較重 起步要多點油門才會走
所以我才會來不及

咚咚咚的應該是輪胎抓不住吧???


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 09:57 PM 
咚咚咚個人也認為是地面不平或有小石子導致輪胎跳動的
真正ABS作動時,目前focus來看,幾乎沒感覺了
早期的ABS是機械式的,那個感覺就很明顯的有踏板回饋力道! 但也是沒有輪胎震動的感覺..


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 10:06 PM 
Focus煞不住和ABS動做沒關係
應該是Focus煞車設計上的問題
我開過 Honda A7 一樣有ABS
它的制動能力就比Focus好很多


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 10:16 PM 
Originally posted by wuloncity at 2006-2-2 10 PM:
Focus煞不住和ABS動做沒關係
應該是Focus煞車設計上的問題
我開過 Honda A7 一樣有ABS
它的制動能力就比Focus好很多

講到這個忽然想到FOCUS好像沒有BAS煞車輔助系統
有BAS的車再煞車力到大一點的時候會作動
煞車力道會很強烈

我曾經開過的CAMRY有配備BAS感覺煞車就很靈敏
也有開過SOLIO沒有配備BAS就感覺煞車軟軟的
之前去試乘過FOCUS的時候就感覺煞車不是很習慣
不過久了之後就應該會習慣了吧


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 10:16 PM 
跟重量也有關係,慣性......
對了,honda a7車種多少呢?
我個人對正美規的Honda車款有不錯的評價....


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 10:37 PM 
Originally posted by shin at 2006-2-2 09:57 PM:
咚咚咚個人也認為是地面不平或有小石子導致輪胎跳動的
真正ABS作動時,目前focus來看,幾乎沒感覺了
早期的ABS是機械式的,那個感覺就很明顯的有踏板回饋力道! 但也是沒有輪胎震動的感覺..

這已經不只一次急煞了
只是每次都有 咚咚咚的聲音和煞車踏板回饋的力道
不信的話 大大您可以試看看
來一次安全的急煞就能明白我說的感覺


 
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發表於 2006-2-2 10:58 PM 
Originally posted by hiei at 2006-2-2 10:37 PM:


這已經不只一次急煞了
只是每次都有 咚咚咚的聲音和煞車踏板回饋的力道
不信的話 大大您可以試看看
來一次安全的急煞就能明白我說的感覺

以下為個人感想
緊急煞車有二種
1.加大剎車力道
2.煞車急踩到底
二者的差別在於1.是長壓住煞車;2.是急踩住煞車到底
因為FOCUS車身重
如果以第二種方式煞車的話
很有可能會發生咚咚咚的聲音(慣性加上車重導致輪胎抓不住)
也有可能是ABS作動導致的(個人無法形容)
我遇過的咚咚咚的聲音是在前輪發出
所以極有可能是輪胎抓不住
因為煞車的時候重心前移
碟盤雖然煞住了
但是因為慣性加上車重導致輪胎抓不住是很有可能的


 




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